Just one reason why you should care about the proposed healthcare bill

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  1. Emily Litella

    Emily Litella Well-Known Member

  2. BPearson

    BPearson Well-Known Member

    Only the tip of the iceberg kiddo. By the time they are done with the new and improved trumpcare, the long term impact will ripple for years to come.
  3. Emily Litella

    Emily Litella Well-Known Member

    There are just so many things I could reply at this point. Probably the most important book I have and will read this year is On Tyranny by Timothy Snyder. I highly recommend it.
  4. BruceW

    BruceW Member

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    - George Santayana

    Millennials I talk to can't explain socialism, but yet they want it. Others don't have a clue about history prior to WWII let alone WWI.
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  5. Cynthia

    Cynthia Well-Known Member

    Socialism has more than one acceptable definition. Many equate it with communism which is both political and economic. While it can be a step towards communism it can also be an end point. It can be only an economic system--socialist economic system with a democratic political system. Most socialist ideals today are economic, not political. Systems change. Just because a system was one way in the past does not say it can't grow into a better system. Modern socialism at its core is a decent idea.

    Millennials might not know about socialism, but they do see other developed countries provide their citizens a lot more for the money they take in on taxes. We pay so much for military that we can't even keep up our infrastructure, let alone modernize it.
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  6. Emily Litella

    Emily Litella Well-Known Member

    I like Canadians and Canada. Sadly, I hear they're building a wall along the border with the US....
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  7. carptrash

    carptrash Member

    I have often felt that it is those who remember, and insist on re-living, the past that are condemned, or condem us to relive it. Surely the folks who have kept us mired down in the Middle East have not forgotten Vietnam? Or have not forgotten the Russian experience in Afghanistan?
  8. 3rdGen

    3rdGen Member

    "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

    - Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Presidential Candidate
  9. carptrash

    carptrash Member

    Too bad he was wrong. Of course now that "liberal" is almost as nasty a word as one can be called this probably will not occur. Thomas was also a Presbyterian minister and might have thought that America might unknowingly become a Christian country some day.
  10. BruceW

    BruceW Member

    Yeah, they have forgotten Vietnam long ago. Even McCain seems to have forgotten what a mess that so called war was. When I came home in 71 I was treated like crap so I never mentioned it. Young people today have no clue it ever happened, they hear about it in history class, but they cannot relate.
    As long as we continue to send troops to "help others help themselves with police action" instead of going in with full authority to wipe out the bad guys with all means possible we will continue to repeat those same mistakes. War is ugly and should never be a resolution, but we all know there are some bad people and situations that make war the only way out.
    IMHO WWII was the last war that we had no other way out... stricktly my ignorant opinion.
  11. carptrash

    carptrash Member

    There is, I suspect, nothing ignorant about your opinion. I am reading an interesting fiction book called " the Sympathizer" these days (mostly nights) that you might find interesting. I got a copy through the Library, so I only have two weeks to finish it. Funny but my days of reading book in two days have slipped behind me, though I continue to collect books as if that were still the case.

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