From the Advocates blog: Me: “We never heard anything about follow up of the results. Seems like once the results were published, we never heard about it again.” Anon: MISSED IT? Here you go. RCSC Long Range Planning Recommendations Subcommittee: ASU Survey (March 2024) https://suncityaz.org/wp-content/up...ommittee-Presentation-and-Recommendations.pdf CONTENT 15 pages Engaging ASU Deliverables from ASU What we learned Our course of action Thank You Additional detail: LRP / ASU Subcommittee Report Recommendations, Sources, and Comments ASU Data Review May 31, 2024 at 6:40 PM Me: Thanks Anon! Did that go out via email? It says presentation for LRP. Survey results ready and available for members 5/16/23 Slide presentation to LRP 3/28/24 Items identified as important by members a year ago are just now being talked about, but the PAC and T-Bird building are the hot topics which will cost many millions. Items current residents, while not cheap, are a whole lot less expensive. Walking paths, socializing spaces, fitness instructor and upscale dining. (might be the tough one to get a restaurant here) The folks who have lived here are not asking for much (my opinion) and yet the focus is on who will be here 20 years from now and what will they want. Alrighty then! JP May 31, 2024 at 8:35 PM
ANSWERING THIS HH QUESTION ABOUT LRP RECOMMENDATIONS ASU SURVEY PRESENTATION “Me: (HH) Thanks Anon! Did that go out via email? It says presentation for LRP.” RECREATION CENTERS OF SUN CITY, INC. BOARD MEETING MINUTES March 28, 2024 (relevant excerpt) Committee Reports: Long Range Planning Committee (LRP); Survey Subcommittee Member, Cheri Marchio gave a PowerPoint presentation titled “Long Range Planning Recommendations” ASU Survey. The presentation included four action items derived from the Survey and recommended by the LRP Committee as follows: 1. Walking path(s): Open, landscaped 2. Socializing spaces: Identify and evaluate suitable locations that could be furnished and dedicated to socializing among members and their guests. 3. Placement of a PT or FT fitness professional: Responsible for updated/renovated fitness areas, equipment and programs/classes. 4. Upscale dining options: Lake or golf course view preferred. Investigating the viability and implementation possibilities of these four requests in the near term. Minutes Source: https://suncityaz.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/2024_3_28-Board-Meeting-Minutes.pdf View video of board meeting with LRP presentation (in black box tap Watch on YouTube)
Thank you so much Chris for repeating almost verbatim what I said, you forgot the link tho. When I get a second I will show you how to clip the pertinent portion of a you tube video. https://suncityaz.org/wp-content/up...ommittee-Presentation-and-Recommendations.pdf Have a blessed evening.
An upscale dining experience is pretty much a pipe dream. Putting an upscale restaurant in the cheapest retirement community would not be good for the restaurant owner.
Agree as stated above. The walking paths would be easy tho. Utilize cart paths on golf courses after play. I did back around 2008, 9, 10 and all of a sudden it was not ok to do any more. Somewhere in a discussion about posse checking homes it was noted by someone that while walking the course with dogs he would see the posse checking homes in the evening. I know, dog poop. Pick it up, and if you see something say something. Who picks up coyote poop? It's a nice place to walk in the evening in Summer, much cooler. A little survey from Nextdoor re ASU results. A little birdie told me the 'yes' results had some prompting for reasons I will keep to myself. Josie P.Boswell Blvd • 2 days ago • Question for Sun City AZ residents. ASU conducted a survey of people who live in Sun City in February of 2023. Were you made aware of any follow up items from that survey? ASU/RCSC Survey 2023 Yes 22% (8) No 78% (28) John M.•Sun City•1d as I recall the survey was very poorly put together as far as the questions being relavant to the actual issues sun city is facing Tom H.•Lakeforest•1d John I agree. It was a very poorly structured “survey”. I seriously doubt the survey benefitted anyone other than those that were paid to do the survey.
It would be nice but I wouldn't want to be an investor in the restaurant. However, I would patronize it if the food was good.
I agree with the two comments. Let's remember that the survey was conducted during the last Board tenure, not the current Board.
That could have different interpretations. Did the board have that much influence over the questions? If so a whole lot of money was paid for nothing. People think it was money wasted anyway. All I remember was thinking is this ever going to end and just stopped answering. The other question is why did it take 11 months to present findings to the board and will anything be done about the findings? (Yes that's two questions) Seems like the current board is more concerned with the purchase of the T-Bird building than the suggestions of current members which would be a lot less expensive and easier to accomplish. On the other hand it was so long ago do people even remember their wish list? Ignore it long enough and it will go away. A long time ago I asked my dad to listen to a rattle in the dash of my car. He said turn up the radio.
The failure rate of restaurants during their first year is close to 90%. Keep that in mind as well if a couple of subsequent restaurants failure the location is known as Death Valley.
Thank you for helping reinforce my point of how the next gen views this location. Probably the only time we will agree, as stated above a fine dining establishment will not happen here.
I suggested almost 10 years ago I thought and wished they would of been able to take part of the former Lakes Club andto put a dinner restaurant in there. My thought was wouldn't it be nice to have a sit down...serious restaurant sitting on the lake. You could have a piano player or small jazz combo in there on the weekends. I know it was just a dream..., but with the nice aesthetics over there, it could of been really nice. Finding someone ( a restaurantuer) with deep pockets who could do it, was an entirely other issue. Not too long after that the nursing school and CORE expanded. Del Webb had it right, he originally had a dinner club there.
Yep! But times have changed. No one (in their right mind) would put a fine dining restaurant here now which is sad.
I do think that people like variety in their dining experiences. Most people, who can afford a fine dining experience, would go only a few times a year. It seems that people like a type of "club" atmosphere where they know many of the patrons. Something like Pauli's Taste of Italy or what I have witnessed at The Copper Penny. We frequent Pauli's but have only peered into The Copper Penny. (Too noisy for us but it looked busy and people were having a good time. Perhaps I should try them for lunch.)
Angela's up in The Grand is a very nice place. It would be nice to have a place like that sitting near the lake over here.
I hope we do not lose sight of affordability. A great deal of the discussion today is about helping the members who have outlived their resources. It just seems ironic to be talking about fine dining at the same time.
Fine dining in SC as stated before is a pipe dream. For those who really want fine dining - get out of the SC surroundings and experience fine dining at non SC restaurants (if you can afford it). If you can't afford fine dining outside the walls of SC don not expect the RCSC to provide that experience for you. Here are a few examples of fine dining, but be aware you will have to drive outside the SC walls; Italian - The Sicilian Butcher - 101 and northern Mexican - Teepee - 4144 E Indian School Rd Seafood - Ocean 44 - 4748 N Goldwater Blvd, Scottsdale, AZ 85251 Italian grocer - Andreoli - 8880 E Vía Linda, Scottsdale, AZ 85258 Pizzeria/Italian - Fabios on Fire - 8275 W Lake Pleasant Pkwy #101, For those not inclined to leave the SC walls, here are some of your options: Mexican - Rio Mirage - Electric Mirage Mexican - Don Lenchos - Peoria Mom and Pop - Royal Cafe Georges on Thunderbird Pauli’s Greenway center Peoria Cafe - best fish fry Dominic’s Italian - 10001 W Bell Rd, Sun City, Mercer’s - 9720 W Peoria Ave, Peoria Nothing wrong with the above eateries,but they are not fine dining. I'm still looking for the document I signed that said "if you buy in SC you will not be affected by recession or inflation. Your yearly assessment will never increase. Utility prices will never rise. Grocery prices will never increase, etc, etc" As for fixed income - anyone on Social Security is NOT on a fixed income. Granted, the increases in SSI do not match inflation but technically, if you are on SSI you are not on a fixed income. I'm tired of hearing residents say they are on a fixed income and expect the RCSC to require the other members of SC to subsidize them. Inflation is always tied to the sitting president even though the current president had nothing to do with inflation. Inflation and recession are cyclical and it doesn't matter who is president, both occur in a non-partisan way.
SCR - Helpful information for all and well reasoned points. If I understand the argument about taking care of the members who have outlived their financial resources it is limited to the assessment fee that provides funds to operate the facilities and perform routine maintenance. If RCSC strives to maintain some quality standard (e.g., safe and attractive amenities) in a rising cost environment, either the fee needs to increase or the amenities need to decrease.
