RCSC Long Range Planning Recommendations Subcommittee: ASU Survey (March 2024) This will be presented at the Board of Directors meeting, tomorrow, Thursday, March 28, 2024, Committee Reports on the agenda. March 28, 2024 LRP / ASU Subcommittee • View 16 page presentation: https://suncityaz.org/wp-content/up...ommittee-Presentation-and-Recommendations.pdf
Is this new? The survey was done May 2023 and results and focus groups shortly after. Same info in PP Presentation format?
RCSC Long Range Planning Recommendations Subcommittee: ASU Survey (March 2024) March 28, 2024 LRP / ASU Subcommittee • View 16 page presentation: https://suncityaz.org/wp-content/up...ommittee-Presentation-and-Recommendations.pdf
Just for transparency here is the link to the ASU survey results. Per ASU "A total of 6,374 individuals began the survey; of those, 5,355 completed a sufficient amount of the survey to include their data. Five-thousand three-hundred and fifty-five individuals (n=5,355) completed the survey and were used for analysis, representing a response rate of 18%. This response rate is somewhat higher than most online surveys, particularly of this length." https://suncityaz.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/RCSC-Survey-Results_May-3-2023.pdf
Interesting summary of "expectations." What is missing is the data beyond those responding to the questionnaire. I know that sounds strange, but it is why collecting that information beyond what they have matters.
This Bill, The Thank You portion at the end of the presentation provides research data. Maybe not as much as you want, but the committee did go beyond the survey results in their recommendations. Had to grin reading, “● Unexpected high Member response to Resident Survey” Remember Bill Cook, GM at the time, saying the expected number of member respondents was 400?!! Over 6000 did!
Hmmmmm. Not sure what you are trying to say, however if it was directed towards my post, the reason I posted what I did was because on the 4th slide the 1st bullet point says: ● Unexpected high Member response to Resident Survey Is 18% an unexpected high member response?
Cook mentioned that ASU expected a minimal response because that was the trend with past surveys. A good number of members obviously were aware of the survey and wanted to participate. We all thought it would make a difference. I look forward to seeing future enhancements.
The report was interesting reading but the “meat” of it, recommendations reflect Baby Boomer 1 and Baby Boomer 2. There was nothing for Gen X which will be turning 50 shortly. So what did we receive for our money? Nothing of real use for long term planning. What I did see was that we should go into fine dining, which is potentially money down a rat hole. What is the failure rate for restaurants the first year in business? About 90%, what will the price point be per person and what percentage of the population will be priced out of this? These are serious questions to ask with many more to follow. The next recommendation is sports gambling. Now we are going into the casino business! Even if it is just a connection to on line bookies, we should get a piece of the action through the use of our facilities. I believe the best of long range planning was at the last Monthly Board meeting when I believe it was the president of Pickleball was proposing an Anschluss of lawn bowling courts when we learned that only five years ago there were over 1,600 members I believe in lawn bowling and now there were only slightly over 350. This reveals in a short of period of time a sport that is fairly popular can have a precipitous decline quickly and we never saw it coming. Now a large factor could be COVID as it restricted travel especially Canadian snowbirds who made up a large part of the membership. Time will tell over the next couple of years if this was an anomaly or the future of lawn bowling in Sun City. Having followed sports for decades, they seem to work on a parabola. Golf was popular in the 60s, 70s and into the 80s but has been declining for years, same goes for tennis in 70s, 80s and 90s and is nowhere as popular now. Basketball has a problem, ice hockey is running on fumes, football while popular now might be running on empty by Super Bowl LXXV. My point is that all these examples show that heavy investment in a seriously popular sport now could toast in 10-15 years. Bottom line is we think we know but we don’t know and we don’t know that we don’t know. Back when I lived in the Midwest I knew a lot of Gen Xers as they were the children of my friends and the guys played a lot of sports. Flash forward, they participate much anymore as knees, backs arms, etc. gave out and sports is now mostly a spectator sport. A couple of Millennials I know had to give up their regular basketball games because their knees are shot and knee replacements took away their ability to jump. Final thought, while looking at the persons who worked on the survey there was four grad students. I sort of pegged their ages somewhere between early 20s to late 20s and maybe early 30s. Did anyone think to ask what they thought? It about the future isn’t it and maybe they could have given us insight. Just asking.
Back in the 80's or 90's there was a wonderful French restaurant. Then of course the ever popular and still going strong in Surprise there was Tivoli Gardens. Sun City also had Amish Furniture shops, tiny gift shops, book stores, IGA along with endless other cute places to go. As things started to deteriorate here they slowly started to leave. Now we look like a giant medical office building. I wonder how SCW was able to keep all their places open? Don't care what you all say Phase 1 looks awful. I am sure I will be called a moron right along with the last person that said that. As far as pickle ball my niece 56, and her beau 66 were avid players. That sport beats the crap out of your knees so they don't play as much. I do know people who are well into their 80's who still play golf tho. Say what you will, SC has changed and not coming back anytime soon. I don't want to spend the last 3rd of my life paying for 20 years of mistakes. Fees will go up, they have to. I have a link to look for homes, no not Zillow, and looking in SCW I may get 60 results with my parameters. Here, last week it was 254. As far as Phase 1 is concerned here is a post from ND (names redacted of course as I don't dox). I have more. Oakmont 1 hr ago Oakmont Neighbors there has been a lot of activity with certain individuals that are knocking on doors in the middle of the night. Most of these people are on bikes and wear hoodies. There are four of us in a cluster that have been affected and I’m not sure how many other people have. the sheriff department has been called and he said to call every time that somebody shows up even if they’re already gone. If you have cameras, please make sure that you take the recording and set it aside for future use or when you call the sheriff to come out, we need to band together as a neighborhood here this is really bad because Oakmont is a cut through street and we all know that there is one house on the street that these individuals are hanging out at and it’s about halfway on Oakmont on the north side between 111th and 107th Ave.. Also, I would like to add when certain trucks go by like the blue rhino truck and they’re going 50 miles an hour down Oakmont please report it to the company ! Oakmont•1m Thanks for this…I’m Very close to You… Boswell Blvd•2h Fob on keyring works fine, no hassle. I guess because of all the undesirables that hang around Oakmont, you are going to have to get a token attached to the back of your rec card to gain entry. Possibly the same type of token required for Duffieland.
Those students, in their early twenties, may not be the best vision casters. They have at least thirty years before retirement! We, 55+ retirees, have experienced a lot of change in three decades, they will, too.
Those of us who have lived here for 2 decades have just learned a lot. Now thru no fault of our own we are going to pay for the sins of those that went before us. We will have to pick up the $20 mil price tag. No one will ever convince me that someone, anyone involved with any past board was not aware. If brought to the members right away I bet there would have been another Anne to rally the troops. But I guess there was and always be a "band of boards" and we will never know. LOL. Lifes mysteries, right?!
EO, you just proved my argument, nobody knows. The problem we have is we have a long range planning committee that has no idea what to plan for. The PAC could be redundant in 20 years unless there is going to be a memory circuit tour of NWA & Run DMC. Even the Budget & Finance committee is suppose to come up with a 30 year plan regarding finances. Planning for 5 years is going to be a stretch because of uncertainties on way too many fronts. HH, Anne Stewart was no activist in the sense of the word. Everything she did was in response to her being suspended by the Board for a year in the 90s. Her lawsuit was a joke as were the legal proceedings. The lawsuit should have been dismissed in the beginning on summary judgment after dismissing half the class for lack of standing. The attorneys did well though for three years of litigation. HH, as for the $20M in deferred maintenance, it actually goes hand in hand with the cash carry forward (not an accounting term) which never appeared on the financial statements in spite of several requests by people. It was basically a game of hide the sausage. The same goes for the reserve study, requested but never received or updated. The Board at that time was dominated by golfers who were only interested in tee times and arguments over straight sheets versus split sheets. Their grasp of anything financial was minimal at best. Ask Bill, he knows. So where was the French restaurant, in SCW with Tivoli? As for the strip malls at 107th & Grand, 99th &Peoria and 107th &Peoria, I agree that they are not very attractive, but to say Phase I looks awful is a statement not based in fact. There has been extensive renovations on houses. True that flippers are involved but long time residents, I have owned for 26 years and lived here nearly 20 years, I did a complete remodel of my home when I moved here and last year did a room addition. The house next to mine is being remodeled after a complete gut as is another house close by. To compare SC to SCW doesn’t hold water as SCW has Surprise on its boundary with tons of undeveloped land. They also a large commercial area which supports both entities. SC on the other hand has limited area for commercial development. IGA is for the most part a nonentity and ABCO has gone out of business, Trader Joe’s and Safeway went to greener pastures. What does this all mean? It might take ten years but I do see a come back for Phase I as it will become gentrified as a result of the housing market and new blood moving in. There is also the close proximity to the 101 with Peoria and Glendale close by. While living in the Midwest I have witnessed gentrification as both a slow process and lightning quick.
And you know that about Anne because you knew her personally? I did, ask Tom McClain, he went walking door to door with her. As usual you all don't get it. You cannot speak unless you are demeaning or calling people names. By the time Phase 1 starts looking good again (if ever) we will all be dead, so who cares? And seriously will this even be a retirement community by then? Mr. Bill et al think very little of me yet I lived here for 2+ years being underage after my mom died. It's not that hard to figure out. Regarding your little "hide the sausage" game I stand by previous statements that this is a good old boys club, and if any board member during the past 15 or 20 years claims they were not aware of what was going on they are too stupid to live. Could this possibly be the reason so many new board members "resign" so quickly? Don't know. As far as the French restaurant, my husband found it on a visit here to see my parents. I will ask him if he remembers the name. The reason I remember it is because it's the first time I tasted sweetbreads.
GdV, Familiar with The Parable of the Donkey and the Tiger? Shared by ~ Grady Polcyn https://gradypolcyn.medium.com/the-parable-of-the-donkey-and-the-tiger-11a4b0b9327c
As a general rule people respond when they are unhappy. All is good? Forget about it. Check reviews online. People have a tendency to take the time to give a review when they are angry, As far as the 18% response rate: It's sad that only 400 were expected to respond. Generally, companies report having response rates that fall between 20% and 30%, if your rates are lower than 20%, it is essential that you review your survey and take actions to improve your respondents' survey experience, whether that be reducing the survey length or simplifying complicated wording.May 1, 2023
So good of you all to let Bill play dictator. Just be careful not to make him angry or he will silence you too! Poor guy can't stand being told he is wrong, and God forbid you stand up to him politically! Hey EO! I do believe I have dm's from ND when you were a Trump supporter back in the day. I am sure I saved them.
HH, a saying from my career, assumptions are the mother of all ****ups. Yes I knew Anne from the mid 90s onward. We talked several times by phone when I working back in the Midwest about things. One of times we met was when the Board was thinking of selling a golf course. I spoke at an exchange saying aside from a really bad idea, it could be litigated for years just over standing (think the Supreme Court’s Justices questioning on the recent abortion pill case). I also read her blog from time to time where she posted the money coming in. She listed contributions by initials and the only thing she paid for was a fidelity bond and then only after I hounded her on it on the old Newszap site. He site and everything on it disappeared after the lawsuit was filed. The more I read her postings the more I knew she was a few points off starboard. She did go door to door recruiting plaintiffs for her action most of which had no standing and the rest were so far removed from any civil claim that this whole action was a disaster. Now as for my “chops” as they say regarding Anne’s lawsuit and what should have been done plus a little insight on current events. I was a paralegal for three years working on class actions lawsuits, administrative hearings and legal research. I supervised paralegals for one year and then worked for a surety bond company underwriting bonds for civil court. This is why I knew Trump was blued, screwed and tattooed because the $93M bond was written by a friend who owned a large insurance company that also wrote bonds. The large $535M was a horse of a different color as it was not a surety bond which has a stated penalty, but rather what is known as an undertaking which has no stated penalty. If Trump does not prevail on his appeal the bond company is on the hook for the judgment plus accrued interest. This is why he used 5 insurance brokers and 30 surety companies because either they wanted no part of this crappy risk or Trump did not like the underwriting conditions which would include an open amount of a letter of credit from a financial institution approved by the surety company as I worked with many of them as co-surety during my career. I know what my conditions would have been and I am quite sure the other companies would have the same. Sureties are precluded by law from accepting real estate as collateral. That law goes back to the Great Depression when many sureties failed because they could not recoup their losses because they couldn’t or didn’t receive enough funds on the sale of the property. This is a liquid funds business now. Class dismissed. EO, not sure what the point is to the parable but Anne’s lawsuit caused the RCSC to pay out $300k under the Directors and Officers policy and the insurer paid out a few hundred thousand to the attorneys to defend. This claim caused the premium for the policy to increase and remain on the record for five years. That is why I thought my strategy was the best, but what do I know as I never went to law school even though my employer wanted me to and would pay for it. I declined.
I have no clue what you are talking about. I don't know what your "chops" are. Why are you talking about Trump? Maybe you and the king should just work on getting to the point rather than writing purple prose. EO parable was directed towards me. Bill wants me silenced and no one is supposed to answer me. Your bad. Hope that helps.
