Recall of Directors

It doesn't matter how many avenues of communication there are. The fact is we don't get information until it somehow "leaks" and it's too late, or residents have to come out in large numbers to meetings. Having to fight like that gets old. SC is not unique anymore. People are not enthused about SC. A new resident was on ND wondering why she bought here, asking 'what did I pay 7k for'? Yes, she should have done more research. As much as I want to move putting my home up for sale now would be just silly. The number of for sale signs on weekends is outrageous. 600 according to Realtor.com. People are not storming the perimeter to purchase here.

 

NCIS fan! I am a cross, country and city. When I inherited my home in 2008 I believe it was around $3000. Agree about Pending. Contingents are iffy. I have seen too many fall thru. Have been visiting here since 1985, moved here to take of parents. Have seen the good and bad of SC, and IMO the bad is taking over. Anita and Chris both want the PAC at Lakeview. If you look at an aerial map it would be a shame. Signing petition.

IMO it's time to be proactive. Someone was really complaining about the $1.4 mil indoor dog facility. Turns out that person had 2 accounts on TOSC promoting the very person who was elected and voted for it.

Sometimes a little shake up is better than doing nothing.

 

Also, I have a journalism family, and let me just say, that the local newspaper is not covering the story of community opposition. They are not really covering it. Who is behind that? That paper never goes out of its way to cover a real story. We are just getting fed billboard type of things, and that is why the board may have their way plowing thru with putting that PAC on Lakeview, along with whatever conversations happened with architect, GM and others. Not really good news right now unless more people come out and have a say that putting a large building in front of our lovely lake is not going to enhance anything. Again, they can make a PAC, but don't tear up our lake-park. I do wish more folks would speak up, please.

 

Josie, yes, I kind of agree. Why would someone want to buy into a very aging community with competitive fees now. I mean, if you want quality of life and can pay a little more, why wouldn't you go to SCW or The Grand. I know Grand is substantially higher, but you get so much more, and you don't have vagrants coming thru your greenbelts, I will tell you that much! I think everyone would be fine with a thought out fully laid out plan for Lakeview that does not destroy the beauty of Lakeview. I also see a lot of families living in SC now. I question the viability of our age overlay. I am seeing Mom and Pop living in here and adult children plowing in. I see properties with some 5 cars, and many coming and goings. I just don't think SCHOA is able to handle the violators who are under the radar out here. I don't think folks are reporting violations in there neighborhoods.

 

I also see many properties going rental. And right now with winter here...I question the checks and balances on the people renting here and disturbing things. We have many part timers near us and they bring in many cars, campers and sorry, but make a lot of noise in the evening, cause, heck, they are on a 5 month vacation! I am challenged a bit by some of this. I must be honest.

 

I do think we need to talk about how SC is becoming a rental-farm. Is anyone concerned? I am not talking about owners who live here half the year, I am talking about renters.
Anyone have any knowledge on the subject? Does anyone know who has records on how many year renters are in here, and how this happens?

 

I see the same. Two younger men living just 5 doors down from me. Then one of them was stabbed. Now no one is living there. Then the story in the Independent where the pitt bulls attacked a lady and her little dogs. Younger ish, not 55 living there had been reported to HOA by neighbors for 17 months and nothing. The dogs had been running wild and the little dog they attacked had to have both eyes removed. I spoke with the person who was attacked, and the kiddos are finally gone.

My neighbor was reported for having a free-standing shed and HOA told them they would have to remove it when they sold the home. Another one was told the same thing about his little golf cart area on the side of his home.

I don't know if anyone could keep track of rentals. IMO it would be a lot harder than keeping track of 1 vs two people on the deed and they can't do that. I think right now we are priced out of the market. Couple with HOA violations not being addressed, homeless and crime people are just accepting it is what it is. We can't fight the board, there is no way to control the crime and homeless.

 

17% rental units in Sun City according to the 2020 census. Many of those properties are owned by residents who have found buying homes and renting them a great source of income. One of the oddities across the country has been the increase in renters compared to owners.

 

interest rates. bidenomics.

 

Hi Bill, I am wondering if that figure may be a little higher now. I have concerns that all the renters have no financial interest in being in here. If they get a guest card, ( on the cheap), we are not really gaining any guest revenues with what we charge. I wonder if that should be looked at. I wonder how much guest fees are in other retirement communities like SCW and Grand.
I am mostly concerned about long term renters who live on marginal conditions, some bringing in a lot of cars, junk, dangerous dogs. I don't think we have a handle on how some parts of this community are really declining. You take a look and tell me what you think. Looking a lot like Sec. 8 housing in many parts of this community. I am concerned.

 

I am glad you pointed out (Sec. 8 Housing). I have said similar things and have had serious blowback because of who I am. Will be interesting to see replies.

The Sun City West 2024–2025 budget packet is available as a PDF at suncitywest.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/FY24-25-Budget-Packet-Final.pdf. The packet includes information on the following fees:

• Member dues: Owner, associate, and landlord dues are proposed to increase from $540 to $570, a 5.6% increase
• APF: The APF is proposed to increase from $5,000 to $5,200
• Golf rounds: The budget includes a target of 320,000 rounds
• Golf fees: The packet includes a schedule of proposed changes to golf round fees
• Bowling lineage and rates: The packet includes a schedule of bowling fees with an increase
• Facilities rental fees: The packet includes a schedule of hall rental fees with no change
  
  

Other fees in Sun City West include:

• Golf cards: Annual golf cards cost $3,800, while Kachina golf cards cost $895
  Daily guest fees: Daily guest fees are $4 for ages 6–18 and $6 for those over 18
• Tenant activity cards: Tenant activity cards cost $105 for one month, $210 for two months, $315 for three months, $420 for four months, $525 for five months, and $570 for six to 12 months
• Resale transfer fee: The resale transfer fee is $275 per resale
• Asset preservation fee: The asset preservation fee is $5,000
• Disclosure packet fee: The disclosure packet fee is $125

 

Were you going to explain how this compares to us?

 

Eileen asked a question about SCW fees, IE rental card fees so I posted the fees. There was no intention to compare Jean.

You can keep lashing out at me, however you should have figured out by now that the hate speech towards me doesn't faze me. I am Catholic, Pro Life, and Conservative. That will not change no matter how much foul language is spewed at me, calling my rosary juju beads, etc.

Also I have been visiting Sun City since 1985 or so, and living here since 2004. I have seen the changes. So many look at SC through rose colored glasses and refuse to see what is really happening it's just sad.

So you and others can keep posting your pages long posts no one reads. I don't care, but it appears others do. You are just making them angry at you. Whatever makes you happy.

Have a Happy Christmas if you believe, if you don't have a good day.

 

Well, I think the homeowners who allow renters in here, they need to have some kind of financial fee imposed on them. I don't know what you would call it, but owners of homes are turning the community into a large rental farm. I don't feel there is any oversight on this happening.
I wonder what SCW and Grand have set in place.
Also, the tenant activity card should be a lot more expensive in my opinion.
I feel we are getting taken advantage of.
I am more concerned about the marginal types coming in with no obligation to the home or community and they tend to bring in junk, many cars, bad dogs and a lower class culture, ( sorry to say this) which is bringing the place down, down down.
I am concerned. Grand and West are not going to let it happen, but we are not doing anything here.
Are you not concerned?
People who actually bought and paid and own a home here, a resident, should be concerned about what is happening in there neighborhoods.
I am not convinced SCHOA can handle this anymore. I think we don't have a handle on all many violators. People are taking a responsibility to report.
That is the change that is disturbing.
Sorry to be negative.
Good Day.

 

Part of the problem Eileen is the RCSC gets the full lot assessment on every property, whether a renter buys a card or not.The old argument was referred to as double dipping. In some cases, renters don't buy cards or use the amenities. In other cases, they become fully vested by purchasing a privilege card or two, join clubs and enjoy our amenities. The RCSC views renters/rentals differently than some of us, as the relationship is purely transactional. In both cases, the RCSC gets paid whether the owner uses the facilities or not.

As far as the community deteriorating, i don't see it. Admittedly i'm not out nearly as much as i used to be, but when i am, i see clean streets and well maintained yards. The occasional property that is in disrepair falls under the purview of SCHOA and while it is a slow process for cleanup, it most often gets done. The oddball cases where abuses are long and ugly gets coverage and raises anger (as it should), but they are few and far between.

The bigger problem is more societal than Sun City specific. We simply have too many brick and mortar shopping centers. We were built in an era before big-box stores and online shopping. While a few like to rage we are dying, the simple reality is we are evolving and in the coming years we will continue to change to meet the varying needs and wants of the next generation of home buyers.

Which is exactly why the Lakeview renovation is so critical to our future. We cannot treat it like a throw-away. The smaller Mountain View piece of the puzzle is and should be done to meet the needs of the residents living around the center. The Lakeview remodel should be done to meet the needs of the community. The very thought the RCSC is rushing the process through at Lakeview is ludicrous on ts face. It should be treated as a celebration of all things good about the community and how we are preparing for the next 50 years.

Sadly, i don't see any of that. At least not yet. I am hopeful next years board will approach the challenges in a more open and clear eyed manner.

We'll see eh?

 

Agree 100%. The BOD and GM have their own agenda they follow. This is not self-governance anymore as claimed. I have asked before with no answers, would it be better to have a management company who has no agenda in Sun City other than the interest of the members and community take over. It has become too personal. Kat with the dog park, Anita and Chris staten in the Independent they still want the PAC at Lakeview. One player did at the meeting, and stated the Lakeview West site has many issues: long walking distance for handicap parking, no close by passenger drop off zone, no on site space for set construction, no access for 18 wheelers to unload traveling sets/wardrobes.

 

Bill, I think I know where you live. Yes, your area looks kept up and nice. However, I live in a condo-styled home and many of them are not being cared for. We have a good hoa board and ou place is fine.
Also, if you drive around, for me, I walk a lot, you will get into other parts of the community that look very marginal.
Have you driven around the Mountain View neighborhood. Have you seen some blocks in Phase 1?
Have you driven on some sections of Phase 2 over here. It is hit and miss all over.
I am concerned about owners of properties allowing the homes to be rented out without any kind of fiscal responsibility to the community along with us being very weak on property standards.
I appreciate all that you've shared though, and I appreciate you too!

 

The Board listened to the Members and killed the PAC at the LV West location. They are being responsible in continuing to work with the architect to renovate/rebuild Mountain View and an overall plan for LV. They work hard to do what the Members ask.

 

Is that why they were there yesterday walking the property? Did you see the post by John Fast?

 

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