Exchange Meeting - Monday, June 10, 2024

I looked into the movie ticket reference Karen made re punch cards being like movie tickets. That is not true. If you know you will not be able to make the movie you can get a refund for all items purchased on the website as long as it's before showtime. With the new no punch card system Ms. McAdam said it's like a theater ticket. It is not like that at all. RCSC will NOT give a refund where a theater will, so that's life comment doesn't work.

 

If I understood the issue correctly members were abusing the old punch cards and allowing friends almost unlimited use of the facilities. One person was even caught selling guest passes at a profit to play a popular sport. In order to stop the abuse this system was put in place. If it doesn't work out RCSC can try something else.

 

I never heard that, but if that is the case then identify the problem, talk about different solutions available, then implement the easiest and most fair for all. Use it or lose it should not be an option.

 

I too see potential problems with the punch cards. It goes like this, someone knows someone who lives in Sun City. They come out here every winter to use our facilities, golf courses all amenities. They are using our facilities on the cheap, or maybe not paying at all. The reason why our facilities are wearing out faster than expected is for this very reason. You have thousands of out of staters flocking in here and heavily using the facilities. How are they getting in?? For peanuts.
I don't know but any private country club in the country would either have no guest system at all, or a very limited and guarded guest system that only real family members would have to pay...a much heftier price to let there extended family come in. I am not saying we shouldn't have our families be able to come visit and have some enjoyment here, but I do think the decades old system has been able to get abused. I also think if RCSC wants to generate more income for all the wear and tear and repairs of our facilities, we need to be charging more for punch cards. I realize my words may not be popular with some, but I am concerned about the long term integrity of the community and on the ongoing repairs and renovations.

 

Eileen. I agree. Guest passes should cost considerably more.
Wear and tear by guests is just important as the wear and tear
Residents/members create

 

Absolutely! And how about all those Dual Deeded people who pay the same assessment for two people's wear and tear on the centers as I pay for one? Married couples don't like to talk about that tho.

 

I have spoken to this issue many times on this site. “Pay to play” is the only truly fair way for amenity usage. And I’m sticking with this point of view.

 

Too bad it will never come to fruition. I don't mind paying my $575 however I do mind the couple across the street paying $575 for both to use the same facilities.

 

I am curious Eileen, do you have facts to back up your statements? They are pretty serious. Just imagine, if you will, the responses I would get if I had accused residents as you are.

 

As others have graciously reminded me, the assessment is per lot. So married folk would pay $1150 for their lot assessment. Not fair either.
And a sunbird couple might only use amenities for 2 months per year. Not much wear and tear by them.

 

I don't us the facilities at all, but I understand. I also understand we are the only Del Webb Sun City in the US that charges this way. I also understand it was set up per person in 1960 and the powers that be changed that "law" in 2003 with no explanation or input from members. For example SCW charges $570 for a single deeded owner and $1140 for dual deeded owners.

 

I am not troubled by double deeded, and I never brought up that point. I am bringing up the very real scenario of a residents buying a lot of punch cards to let many non residents come in and have fun. Back in March one morning I go to Marinette to do my morning work out and there was 4 couples ahead of me in line all out of state vacationers with printer print outs to come in and play pickle ball.
All having fun on someone else's membership. Not making up anything. Just bringing up a question of inquiry as a real homeowner who has lived here for 13 years now.

 

Eileen making a claim like that without actual facts and proof is not a good thing. Do you know the person/people abusing the rec center process. You make it sound like they are costing the centers 10's of thousands of dollars. If you know who they are report them. If it is your opinion then say so.

 

It is my opinion.

 

Thank you. That is how bad things happen. People say things they think are true, then the followers believe it and it turns into an ugly mess. Especially when people try to defend themselves. So there may be other options to the punch card debacle, however the board implemented as they saw fit without input from members.

 

My understanding upon listening to last BOD meeting is that people still having punch cards after one year will receive a credit to their account.

 

Yes, that's what I heard as well, however my take-a-way from the whole topic was credit cards are not wanted. IF I remember correctly there was a member speaking about it in a past exchange meeting who said moving away from cash is contributing to the "dumbing down of America". Just to be sure I will research as I may not have that right and would prefer not to be bombarded, so please reserve your comments. Jerry Orbach as Jake Houseman : "When I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong." so don't put Baby in the corner just yet.

 

I hope the person who was selling guest passes at a profit was penalized with suspension of RCSC privileges. That is truly fraudulent and unacceptable.

 

Why is that not fair? The Great Del Webb Set is up per person in 1960 and the BOD changed it to per lot in 2003. Why should I pay the same to get one card as my neighbors pay and they get two cards. If done per lot then do it fairly and give me two cards to use for my family, or give the married couple one card and let them purchase passes. Please explain the fairness, and why all 37 other Del Webb communities still charge per person. You are a smart man. You know the current assessment charge is not right. You know if they were to change it and make it right there would be an uprising among all married couples here that would rival some of Chicago's riots. Just admit they screwed up in 2003 and we have to live with it now.

I heard 1 reason for the change was that it was just too hard to keep track of "people". That is just like saying we are not anywhere near as smart as the rest of the Webb Sun Cities.

 

Because the per lot assessment is $575. Again as I have stated numerous times, the only truly fair system is a pay to play in some form. That is my view and I will stick with it.