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    Quote Originally Posted by IndependentCynic View Post
    Yes, tacky.

    IMHO, PIF was the only funding mechanism the board could implement without getting member approval. There were lots of vocal members against spending money. I didn't see an alternative at the time and something had to be done, so even though I didn't like the PIF concept, I supported it. But since it seems to have gotten far to easy for the board to simply raise it at will. It's more than trippled! That needs to stop.

    And, I'm not convinced RCSC capital spending is as connected to my home's value as you imply. According to Arizona House Prices and AZ Housing Market Info - NeighborhoodScoutthe average home in Arizona has appreciated 77% since 2000. Sadly, the $50-mil spent by the RCSC on improvements garnered by the PIF haven't affected my home's value at all. Zero. Nada. But to your point, it hasn't gone down, either. OTOH, if I invested 50% of my home's value in remodeling I could likely increase it's value 20-30%. I'll guess this is true of a large percentage of SC properties.

    RCSC improvements are certainly necessary -- but $40-mil in golf improvements might just be putting very expensive lipstick on the pig.


    I purchased my home in 2002 for $123,000. I have made no major improvements over that time, and Zillow today values my house at $208,367. That's a 69 % increase in 15 years. I'm OK with the PIF.

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    Hey Adam560, welcome. Let be blunt, when it comes to home buying, timing is everything in life. The reality is some homes still haven't hit the high water mark from those crazy times back around 2005. For the most part though there has been a steady climb in property values. The bigger story is how quickly homes sell.

    With the PIF doing over 8 million dollars in 2016, even though KHov added a lot to the number, we continue to average well over 2000 home sales per year, better than 6 homes each and every day of the year.

    Consequently, what you have to ask yourself is if the RCSC hadn't passed the PIF in 1999 and everything had simply aged in place...what would your home be worth today? How fast would homes be selling if the amenities not gotten the 65 million dollar cash infusion? Or better yet; how many votes for yearly assessments would have been passed to cover that nut?

    That's exactly why i was "tacky' when telling those who buy here and don't like the PIF, move somewhere else. No one is forcing them to move to Sun City. Hell, posters on this board have flat out said, it helped them make their decision to buy in another community. What i do hate is when they agree to buy here and then whine about it.

    And so we are clear, i have been the most outspoken critic to the all-golf-all-the-time construct. Not because i am anti-golf, but because had we spaced out the golf course remodels we could have also been doing rec center remodels which have a far greater impact on the community at large than increasing the number of pin locations on the greens.

    The best way to get back in the game of community involvement is to reinstate the long range planning committee and start looking to the future and the evolution of age restricted living.
    Sun City=Community before corporation, people before politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPearson View Post
    Not because i am anti-golf, but because had we spaced out the golf course remodels we could have also been doing rec center remodels which have a far greater impact on the community at large than increasing the number of pin locations on the greens.
    The best way to get back in the game of community involvement is to reinstate the long range planning committee and start looking to the future and the evolution of age restricted living.
    Agreed Bill, but only if the LRPC is given some accreditation by the board. The board can still poo poo the LRPC recommendations and continue to focus on golf.
    I agree Bill, PIF money would be best spread out across all amenities... the rec centers are one of the main attractions for today's retirees. Golf is also an attraction, but you can't put all your eggs in one basket. The community must stay relevant for tomorrow's retirees, namely me.

    So board members if you read these rants, first of all thank you for being willing to step up and do the thankless job of being a director on the board. It can't be an easy task.
    I would also challenge you to find out what the bulk of the community you have chosen to represent really needs for now and the future. IMHO, focusing on golf ain't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPearson View Post
    What i do hate is when they agree to buy here and then whine about it.
    Really? Whining? Condemning the 500% increase in the PIF is "whining"? Consider, you bought here when there was a LRP committee... is it "whining" that you criticize its disbandment? What's our alternative? Drinking the koolaid is not much of an option to me.

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    Nevermind. Everyone take care and have a great spring and summer. This is a great place to live.
    Last edited by Emily Litella; 05-05-2017 at 08:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndependentCynic View Post
    Really? Whining? Condemning the 500% increase in the PIF is "whining"? Consider, you bought here when there was a LRP committee... is it "whining" that you criticize its disbandment? What's our alternative? Drinking the koolaid is not much of an option to me.
    When i whine it's constructive criticism. All kidding aside, hardly a close comparison. Reconstructing the LRPC is a solution while complaining about the PIF is being high or should be abolished is simply whining. Unless of course you think the PIF should go away and then i would love to hear how you plan on funding improvements over the next 50 years/ Maybe there's a better solution and we aren't looking hard enough for it.

    And just for the record, when the PIF went from $3000 to $3500 i was one of a handful who spoke out against the increase. I just wasn't comfortable raising it without a reason or a plan on how to spend it. The reality is, with the all-golf-all-the-time agenda being in place, a group of outspoken residents working on a true progressive long range planning committee would be the proverbial fly in the soup.

    But alas, that's just my humble opinion.
    Sun City=Community before corporation, people before politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPearson View Post
    The best way to get back in the game of community involvement is to reinstate the long range planning committee and start looking to the future and the evolution of age restricted living.
    If it does happen, as was teased at in the last meeting, would you try to get on it? You should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynthia View Post
    If it does happen, as was teased at in the last meeting, would you try to get on it? You should.
    Sure, i'd be interested. The important thing is less who's on it and more the structure and tasks they ingrain into the process. Years past it was often people who had an agenda or particular project they were interested in. Rather than repeating that, better served to create a committee who look to the future, studies who and what newer age restricted communities are doing and using the amazing amount of data available.

    If they set that criteria, i suspect they would weed out those interested only in their pet project.

    Just to pass it on; at the last Board/Member exchange, President Hoffer assured me it would pass in June. Interesting because i hear there are at least a couple of board members who don't like the idea. We'll see.
    Sun City=Community before corporation, people before politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPearson View Post
    Interesting because i hear there are at least a couple of board members who don't like the idea. We'll see.
    I would like to know their reasons. But I imagine they would not let us know.

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